Examining City Council & Mayor Deegan's Budget Impact on Jacksonville with AG Gankarski

[00:00:01] Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike, Mike on Mic, a conversation about politics, government and Jacksonville. With 50-year opinion leaders, Mike Hightower, Mike Tolbert, and award-winning broadcaster and longtime political observer, Mike Miller. Welcome once again to another episode of Mike's On Mic. I'm Mike Miller here, of course,

[00:00:22] with Mike Hightower's in studio with me. Mike Tolbert is back at the farm, and we're delighted to have you with us today. Now that Mayor Deegans, rather, has unveiled the second budget for the City of Jacksonville, this will be the first of two podcasts that we're going

[00:00:37] to be doing that's going to be well-basically focusing on that budget, talking not only about where the money is going but also the politics behind it. It's very important, as you know, of course, she is a Democrat and there's a super-majority of Republicans here on the

[00:00:53] City Council and the only way this $1.9 billion budget or anything close to it will get passed is if it gets nine votes from the City Council. So that's what we're going to be focusing on today. We're going to be doing it from studio, and next week we're

[00:01:08] going to be doing it with the Mayor from the Mayor's office at City Hall so you want a tune in for that. Mr. Mill, just so I hate to just say he needs ten votes. Not nine. That's correct. Ten votes, I'm sorry.

[00:01:20] Five by that was an unpaid announcement from Talbot Nye. Fifty years each doing this. That's it. One over and number that. So the podcast with the Mayor will be airing the week of August the 5th, so please mark

[00:01:33] it down in your calendar. But our guest today is Florida Politics, columnist, AG again. Carstenie, this is the first time not AG has been on our program. We've had other columnists on sometimes multiple times like NATO's been on three times and Andrew

[00:01:47] Pantasy has been on twice. So AG, this is the first of more than one appearance you'll be making on Mike's on Mike if we don't screw it up too much for you. AG joined Florida

[00:01:58] Politics back in 2014 and for 15 years before that. He was a columnist with Folio Weekly. He also writes for the New York Post in the National Review. And we're delighted to have you on with this remotely or anyway, but thank you, AG for coming out, Mike's with Mike.

[00:02:13] Hey, thanks for having me on this pleasure. You bet Mr. Tolver, kick it off for us, please. Sure. AG is good to see you again. It's been a while. Yeah. I doubt I don't know if you've

[00:02:23] recalled this. But the first time we ever met what is back in 1995, so when I was doing the inside source, then you and I had coffee, I can reverse that. I think of Starbucks.

[00:02:38] But I remember that very well out. I hope my memory is not fading on me. No, they've renovated Starbucks in Stemba still there. Yeah, let's go to the basics of people who don't know what Florida politics is and I can imagine there are many around. Tell us what

[00:02:54] it is and what you do there. Well, Florida politics has been around for a little over a decade. I was kind of underground for that. And basically what we do is politics, policy, campaigns

[00:03:06] are really heavy right now. And of course, local issues such as budgets are a big deal too. My focus on Northeast Florida, I also handle the statewide stuff like whatever interesting thing Ron DeSantis says in the given day, the Rick Scott, reelection campaign

[00:03:26] against probably Debbie McCarshal, Palo. Those are also in my bucket. So I think quite a bit. And we also have the Jacksonville Bold Newsletter comes out every Wednesday. It's also on the websites if you go to Florida politics around three o'clock, three, 30 and Wednesday.

[00:03:44] It's usually there. Collaborative treat dates and formulae of the time, junior and some other people on that. What makes Florida politics different from other publications? I just think we go a little bit more inside baseball than some of the others like the TV or

[00:04:01] the Times, Union. We deal a lot more with process, a lot more with, you know, it's more granular just because it's especially trade publication as opposed to some of these more general. So

[00:04:15] yeah that's the advantage there. A lot of our readership there plugged in one way or the other. Yeah everybody from lobbyists, the politicians to AIDS. All of those people tend to read in a

[00:04:29] lot. So it's pretty influencers and we tend to be ahead of the curve on those things and you know, we predict a lot of things that are going to happen for a do like leadership or

[00:04:39] racist things like that. We're just plugged in as anybody at the state. I remember some of your colleagues are working with them when I was in telehassee. A.G. One of the reasons why we had

[00:04:48] John here is you did an incredible review of the mayor. So we're going to cover a couple of subjects today but we want to really talk about Mayor DeGun's budget. In a recent column about the city council republicans from the mayor's budget, you begin with this line.

[00:05:06] Mayor DeGun has had an audacious audacious first year in here opinion. What caused it to be audacious? Audacious I had to look that up because one I can only do single syllable words and have to be

[00:05:23] and so that took two pages. I want you to know something. You look at this list of high-tall and I were on the phone for 20 minutes yesterday and I was trying to get him to read the

[00:05:33] script right. I did come up with audacious. Anyway, thank you back on. I'm looking up to you. Well, I did a good company. Yeah. Well, A.G. I looked up but seriously that is a strong word

[00:05:52] and it's Mike Miller just talked about and one thing that Mike Tolbert and I thought for you to use that kind of language with this mayor and when you look at the super majority of Republicans,

[00:06:04] most of which are part of the baker boys, explain to us what caused you to use the word audacious. Well, the mayor, she took advantage of having the bully pulpit of the mayor's office,

[00:06:19] you know being elected. She did things like remove the Confederate monument from the park and springfield just before the end of last calendar year. She's been very bold with the stadium deal.

[00:06:33] You can debate the finances of the stadium deal but what you can't debate is that she was successful in shepherding that three with the help of then council president Ron Salem. They had a very efficient

[00:06:44] process. She resisted calls for a referendum on that too saying that it was up to elected leaders to lead. So that was one of the things she did as pre-gutsy. Yeah, basically,

[00:07:01] had to deal with the super majority you put in Republican side, a lot of Tim Baker clients. And you know, if you compare to a last Democratic mayor, Alvin Brown, who was dealing with the

[00:07:11] very constrained budget through all four years and was being very careful not to seem overtly Democrat. What Deegan is that she's basically leaned into political identity and she's realized that she is the most popular politician who best known politician by father in the city.

[00:07:31] Nobody comes close as as y'all know very well city council people don't really have the aim recognition or public profile. That's to mistake they realize that once they run for mayor

[00:07:43] and you're like, oh, nobody knows who I am. Whoops. Mayor Deegan, you know, everybody knows who she is and she took advantage of the first year to get a lot of things done. Labor deals,

[00:07:56] struck with police and fire unions. That's a big deal. We don't know what that's going to cost down the road to send them into the Florida retirement system, but the fact that she was

[00:08:07] able to do that bring T.K. Waters and Steve Zona and these people who are died in the world Republicans at this point in their political evolution, bring them to the table and say, you have them in Georgia, Deel. That's a really big one because we get to 2027

[00:08:26] it's going to be harder for public sector unions, public safety, you use specifically to back where a public and given that mayor Deegan unlike Mayor Corry has given them exactly what they want. But here's the big butt, you know, the price is yet to become due on these

[00:08:44] proposals and initiatives. So it's going to be interesting to see what she does, but she front weighted a lot of stuff and invested a lot of political capital, 10-week-a-law public capital for her projects and priorities. Yeah I just want to, we talked about this earlier, AG.

[00:09:01] I think a lot of people underestimated her and I think to their own peril. It's a good point. Of course, when unveiling the $1.9 billion budget, she described it as being a lean budget. I found it interesting because everything we hear out of Tallahassee from DeSantis

[00:09:21] and his people is all of this money that we're getting and we've, you know, we've outpaced all of the revenue projections and all of the other, you know, dire predictions about not getting

[00:09:32] revenue coming into the state to pay for state programs. Why are they so flush with money in the city of Jacksonville so lean? Well, I don't know if they are as flush with money as they were,

[00:09:43] a lot of what boosted local and state budgets was pandemic era funding from the Chopped Administration and Biden administration. You know, that money is supposed to be proven in the

[00:09:54] state level. Some of it was, some of it wasn't. And you know, in that sense, it made things look a little bit rosier than they were, locally we saw the same phenomenon with hundreds of movies of dollars

[00:10:08] coming in during the career administration. But now that Fossus has been turned off and we're back to more of a fiscal reality without the pandemic spending and, you know, the accompanying, you know, expansion of the monetary supply. I mean, you know, it's another thing that factors

[00:10:26] in and makes a special look a little bit leaner than the $1.9 billion in this because the money isn't worth what it was a few years ago. You know, after a money was dollars were introduced into the system to boost pandemic spending from Republican and Democratic presidential administrations.

[00:10:45] So, you know, that's one reason that, you know, this budget is one of the most controversial things about it. Mayor Deegan is programming $47 million reserves because millage collections are $62 million down from what was projected even though they're up $73 million.

[00:11:02] And a lot of that is commercial real estate sector. There's a big clamor get back to the workplace, you know, no more work from home but commercial real estate isn't what it used to be and that

[00:11:16] is really hurting along with the fact that the residential housing market is basically flattened out in terms of valuations. We're seeing a lot more for sale signs and, you know, interest rates are

[00:11:28] up to. So that's another thing that means a $1.9 billion doesn't go as far as you might think, looking at the top line of the budget. You know, the other thing too, I've had people ask me this

[00:11:38] question and they say, Mike, with all the construction going on and all of the multi-family units that are going in. I mean, you can see new apartments and condos being built everywhere. They're saying, what about the revenue from that? But what they forget is that you've got to

[00:11:52] create the infrastructure in order to provide services that those new residents are going to need. You're going to need more police. You're going to need more fire. You're going to need more schools. You're going to need more roads. You're going to need new sewer and water. I mean,

[00:12:05] there are a lot of infrastructure costs that go into those new apartments that are being built more so than whatever revenue is going to be coming out of, you know, they've had the alarm taxes from those units. Correct? Correct. And, you know, with many of these development deals,

[00:12:21] there's new, there's new language to require the developers to spend on infrastructure. And, you know, so basically this is taxpayer burdened. It's, you know, privatized profit, socialized costs that you'll disgain in the world. So, you know, something like that you expand

[00:12:38] on in Southeast from Duval County. That costs is basically spread out to all kinds of established neighborhoods. And, you know, we're seeing more rental housing going online too, which, you know, is an interesting development because, you know, it cuts into the amount of people

[00:12:58] who are invested in the city's property others. So, they're kind of insulated from this and one sense, but the other sense is passed on to be a higher rents and higher cost of living in

[00:13:08] other ways. And just last the people down in St. John's County, the County Commission in St. John's County about trying to keep up with the growth that they're experiencing there. I mean, they're having a very tough time. So, don't think that we're immune from that. We're going

[00:13:22] to have those same issues facing us at some point as well. We really have not those issues for decades. It's just every time we have a boom, those issues are clearer and, you know, 55 years after

[00:13:33] consolidation, our local leaders haven't figured it out. And obviously, they want to develop our money to win elections, especially Republicans. But, you know, the cost of that, the developer money, you know, going into the past or how have you, it comes out of the taxpayer

[00:13:49] budget priorities. Yeah, you know, it may be a lean budget, but she's the mayor is not scraping on some of the spending. I won't go over a list here. They've got $130 million to capital improvements, $46 million to solid waste over 11 million for stormwater projects, $36 million

[00:14:08] for parks, $38 million for building improvements at the U.S. Hill, $150 million for stadium renovations, which is getting it ready for the $1.4 billion renovation. The list is long, and it appears to be pretty comprehensive maybe, but then maybe lean with my question is this, where the city council

[00:14:31] dominated by Republicans. Do you anticipate that the mayor will have his easier time with this budget as she did with the stadium? What are you hearing about where the council is on some of this? Well, I'm expecting a really tough August for Dispeggio and the Finance Committee

[00:14:50] in part because the communication between the mayor's office and now finding a share of Ron Salem was nil before the budget was introduced, and Salem's not a fan spending out of reserves. It's supposedly one time spending according to the mayor, but realistically if you make that a habit,

[00:15:10] it's no longer one time spending. And yeah, it raises questions for him. It's going to raise questions for the Finance Committee, and I think you're going to see a number of amendments both in August and there's day-long meetings that take up much of the month with Finance,

[00:15:29] but you're also going to see four amendments in September when they wrote on the deal with self. I'm expecting to council the push back compared to Deeds' first budget, which was largely prepared by the Currie team. This is her initiatives. These are really her priorities in many ways,

[00:15:50] I don't think they're going to fight over a stadium spending, but I do think there are questions about the mechanism here used to basically find what they're trying to do in the second year.

[00:16:02] You've talked about some of the hurdles, though AJ, when you start seeing to Mike's point when he made that list, it'll be interesting. I'm just wondering if one of those hurdles that they won't have

[00:16:15] is that you have what six or seven of the city council members who work for nonprofits. If they're employers, who they work for, or they run, will their projects go through as they did at midnight

[00:16:32] on the last one? Do you foresee that type of thing or do you see some horse trading going on? I think with nonprofit spending, there's always a sort of magical acceptance, it doesn't matter what party they're from, that all the nonprofits city council people work for are protected.

[00:16:49] And that's where the forced collegiality on the diast. They made this a grave or one issue or another, but when it comes to feathering their own beds, there is nobody like the Jackville City Council.

[00:17:02] You can bat on that. That is one place I don't expect spending to be reduced. Now, we talked about that last week about the ethics of why they won't nitpick. The stadium or nitpick, capital or as Mike said, for parks or building improvements, but when it

[00:17:21] comes to their own nonprofits that they work for or get a salary from somehow, it's two sets of rules. Very true. Absolutely. It's changed topics for just a couple of moments and talk a little

[00:17:33] bit about state-wide politics. How do you take on, let's start with the two referenda, the one that will legalize recreational marijuana and the other ones which will codify abortion rights in the state of Florida. What are you hearing about those? Are they going to hit

[00:17:48] that 60% level? Yeah, I mean, so far, polling is good on them, but the Santa's definitely stepped up is offensive against them. I listened to me give a speech to the Florida Sheriff's Association today and he talked about how was the Canadian marijuana company presumably for the Shree Leave

[00:18:08] Bankrolling this amendment largely on the cannabis side. There's a political committee, I think it's no one three or something along those lines that's been recently set up for that. I'm also the hemp industry, interesting enough is funneling money through

[00:18:25] Republican Party of Florida for the same initiative. What the San Francisco's done is trying you lay to between the commercial hemp industry and the cannabis industry because there are really two different sectors, even though the plants have much more similarity than

[00:18:40] difference. It's interesting to see how that plays, but I feel like marijuana, these multi-state operators I want to survive. I've had such a head start, it's going to be challenging, but if the Santa's can get Republicans to turn against the amendments, then it may work. I mean, 60% is

[00:19:04] a high threshold in the end. Regarding the abortion amendment, that's an interesting one also Democrats have been much more vocal in that one. The argument for it is basically it would reverse the restrictions that have happened in Tauhasi post-dops regarding abortion, the 15 week ban

[00:19:28] became the six week ban with a couple of exceptions. That's really the thing, polling says that Republicans are open to this. I think the six week ban that the San's push through last

[00:19:40] year was intended for the presidential election. He wanted to get to the right of Donald Trump on abortion and he did that, but ideas have consequences and one consequence of that idea is

[00:19:53] that it's been unsafe for women who might need the procedure for one reason or another. Six weeks in pregnancy, you don't even know if you're pregnant, many occasions and you can't get

[00:20:03] a doctor's appointment as so we saw like there's a lot of doctors able to perform the procedure if you find out five weeks in, it's like you can go to the next day. So with this in mind,

[00:20:16] it's one that could be appealing, could drive turnout for Vice President Harris, Debe McCartyle, Powell, these people on the ballot. But I do expect the San's to message more aggressively on this

[00:20:29] as we get close to November. And I think it's going to be tight in the end for both of these. By the way, I was at a function that Andrew Pentazzy had this week over at the nonprofit center.

[00:20:43] It was basically a vote 2024 and one of the panelists that he had on there was opposed to the marijuana amendment. As we started talking and I asked a question, I said, I don't understand

[00:20:56] what is your opposition from it? It's a term from stem from. And as it turned out, he lobbies for a company that makes the medical marijuana cards. That those of us who have

[00:21:08] cards have to carry along with us and you pay for that card by the way every year. You've got to get it renewed. And what his concern was is he said, the way the recreational pot amendment is written

[00:21:20] is that you wouldn't have medical marijuana needs anymore because anybody could buy the product. He don't have to obviously prove that you have a medical reason for it. And that would impact negatively impact his company that prints the cards for medical marijuana customers. And I said, so you're

[00:21:39] opposed to the whole idea because of the cards that your client makes and he says basically that's good to know that special interest is still alive. I was really afraid of all that.

[00:21:53] I didn't get all the panel. Yeah, I was afraid special interest in sort of going off that God knows it's still there. But here's the thing about the cannabis amendment. It's worth mentioning

[00:22:05] because you look at the doctors who prescribe it and many of these doctors wouldn't have any other job for signing off on these to surgery consultations. So there's not part of the industry also,

[00:22:21] but you know the state has the right to do role-making if this amendment passes. So they could implement taxation on recreational that they don't don't do a medical. They could give medical patients priority. This happens in other states. I mean this idea that it's just an unfettered

[00:22:39] market that would be created because the amendment, those can be plenty of role-making around it if and when it passes. And I expected the pass eventually if it's not this year it'll be a future cycle.

[00:22:50] So I think the arguments against it have been made. Have been spurious. They've been kind of deceptive. The San Francisco talk about how you can take a bunch of joints into a mirror into an all

[00:23:02] elementary school. If it passes, there's no way you can't take that anymore and you could take in a fifth of Jack Daniels or whatever else. Yeah so there's a lot of fear mongering around this

[00:23:17] and but as you know you all know as well as I do fear mongering works with the subset of voters in Santa Florida. Some of the stuff that the San Francisco has been saying is so not ancestral to go on

[00:23:28] theologically you have a hard time responding to it. You mentioned it said you could bring 20 joints into an elementary school. He also said you could throw the they'll it to dispensary. They could throw fentanyl into the mix and then he says something about it does mail very good.

[00:23:46] It's mail is putted when I read this stuff and listen to this stuff coming out of him. I'm wondering what the hell he's smoking you know. Yeah I mean he kind of uses the old dish.

[00:23:58] Gallup technique and they're just kind of through things the wall see if they stick and they seem to sometimes but yeah he's basically again it comes down to you trying to use scare tactics and you know honestly with medical right now if you're walking around

[00:24:16] you go to a shopping center or whatever you definitely notice it all read it and I don't know if that would appreciate we go up because the threshold for getting a medical card is pretty

[00:24:28] well you can get diagnosed by the doctor same day and you're buying your product and some of these diagnoses are more spurious than others. You know PTSD for example how do you prove

[00:24:40] PTSD? Yeah so it's like that that's basically where it is so you have a program that's pretty liberal already in terms of the threshold for entry and you know also with with 40 got a lot of tourist population and transient population the snowbirds so a recreational framework

[00:25:03] would allow them access to the medicine they need because right now a Florida's program doesn't now address a process you can't take a medical card from saying new jersey and go to a Florida dispensary by anything. So you know if the state wanted to make good faith

[00:25:21] changes to the medical program they would have done so and you know that that I think mitigate against the arguments that they're trying to protect people especially given what the hemp industry

[00:25:31] right now you can go to a so-called smoke shop you can buy Delta 9 you can buy Delta 10 you can buy HHC all these alternative cannabinoids that are basically the same things you would find in commercial marijuana you can find and help either organically or synthesized so as

[00:25:52] rotten cows you say that dog don't hunt. Well it's really good to have Talbert back I mean he's always good for whether he's here with us or in the barn no matter what you put in a punch go

[00:26:03] yeah but I I I also want to say is HH was going through all those different products I've learned something every day yeah one this is another a home home and for my home

[00:26:15] I got to write about now in cannabis for years and they're waiting my two daughters I do want to ask a political question AJ um this kind of goes back when when my grace the issue

[00:26:27] Talbert given that he is obviously going to go out front on both these issues and given the fact was he went maybe at rich too far on the six week band and given the fact was he didn't make

[00:26:40] where he thought he was going to be running for present do you or your colleagues foreseey that he's really got the political juice that he's going to be able to bring that kind of political

[00:26:55] influence on two major about an issue given the fact is that he's only got two more years you know that's a good question and you know again I look at the threshold if we're 50%

[00:27:09] I would say he couldn't sink it but a 60% is possible because you do have a public and plurality in the state he digged 60% the election two years ago so the status of this have some political capital even though he is approval rating is closer to 50 now of the 70

[00:27:29] the honeyman was ever for on the sand she spent a lot of his political capital but you know because the members are so tough to get over it's going to be worth watching till the end and even if I see

[00:27:40] a poll that says you know the abortion amendment or the canvas amendments at 65% I wouldn't say it's over because there's so much various and polls online polls they tend to trend more liberal

[00:27:54] and yeah I think polling in the state in general it is to have a liberal bias compared to actual electoral performance. I just wonder about the effect of these two amendments I'm turned out in AG because especially now that the Democrats have a new top of the ticket

[00:28:13] and what we're hearing of course we don't know yet but what we're hearing is that that's going to spur more excitement in turnout because Biden's not on the head of the Democratic ticket

[00:28:26] but I'm wondering whether or not that's going to have a positive or negative impact on these two referenda if in fact they're you know we're not going to become a blue state I think we we all

[00:28:38] realize that we used to be purple I don't think we'll ever be blue but I'm wondering if we might be changing a little quarter towards purple as a result of these two referenda and the turn out

[00:28:50] that we might get in November what do you think I'm at AG? Yeah I mean that's a good question I do think it's going to drive Democratic turnout I think Democratic turnout is going to be more

[00:29:01] juice with cameo in reverse on the ballot because we're at that top of the ticket rather you know because she's she's a first time you know candidate first woman to top of major party ticket

[00:29:14] first black woman first South Asian woman a lot of first there so there's a there's a story there some Democrats have compared it to Barack Obama 2008 the jury is way out on that one

[00:29:29] but I do think you're going to see a net positive effect in terms of Harris versus Biden when it comes to his amendments you really don't see a big change in Florida do you

[00:29:44] AG? No I mean I think Trump ultimately carries a state assuming he makes it to November but I don't know if JD Vance helps him in terms of Florida voters especially the

[00:29:59] pin of voters you know Vance is at a lot of statements that played well on things like Tucker Carlson and shows like that on abortion and women's rights yeah he once said that childless women

[00:30:14] are basically cat ladies and deadored regarding Kamala Harris and I think he's become a lightning rod for sort of you know social conservativist he's kind of embodying the worst of that to the swing voters to female voters and to people who are sympathetic to

[00:30:36] reproductive races in the issue which JD Vance are we going to see the JD Vance who called Trump America's Hitler or the JD Vance who is now obviously completely unbored with Trump in his policies are we still doing observations yeah well I mean the question

[00:30:54] it wasn't my comment it was his even if you get through Republican win in the racer away house you're going to have a significant minority of Republicans and probably majority of independence who are going to back these amendments you know tell a hassy the the super

[00:31:15] majority Republican legislature they don't really reflect the state they draw maps very creatively you know you shouldn't have 70% of the house and Senate being Republican in state where you've only got about a million more Republicans than Democrats and you know who draws a map's wins but

[00:31:36] it is as well as this is initiatives come in you know so clutch because they allow people to have a say and to offer a corrective when the legislature gets too far and this one kind of

[00:31:49] expecting to happen November what do you think about Scott he's got vulnerabilities or do you think he's he's a he's a walking I think Rick Scott is pretty well positioned I think Debbie McCrochel

[00:32:01] Powell is a likely nominee for the Democrats he's run kind of a one-note campaign you know talking about reproductive rice is a issue Rick Scott said is typically discipline campaign you know building coalitions stressing them always finding a way to message and as the advantage of incumbents

[00:32:23] so I think Scott will run more of us as well as Trump does and as we know from following Rick Scott for a decade and a half all he needs to win is 50.1% so he's very careful in seeing how far

[00:32:38] right he can go and then a little faint to the left toward the election like if you remember 2014 it was close so he teased expanding Medicaid that didn't last long but he now he he floated

[00:32:54] that and that was something get bottom a little bit of time and you know so he's a master at that and I think Republicans really want him in the state to win because he could be

[00:33:05] Senate caucus leader he's running at that leadership race for Republicans take majority of Senate and he's Senate majority leader there's a lot he can do for the state they're being more crucial powers never going to be that position in the Democratic caucus so that may be

[00:33:21] consideration for the really walkie people out there you've been done some good work for a long time and it's needed now more than ever and I think the three of us I can't speak with each two

[00:33:32] guys but I know I'm very grateful for what you do every day in and day out yeah we can look at a October for sure because I think by then we're going to have a lot more to talk about

[00:33:41] and why don't have some better polling and better data can be more specific what's speculative we'll look forward to it thank you AJ very very much for being with us we appreciate it thanks guys

[00:33:52] okay that's going to do it for us as we said this is part one of a two-part series on the mayor's budget the next week it's going to be with mayor Donodigan we're going to be doing it

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